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键盘侠国王连续12年徘徊乐透区老板和GM成众矢之的

2019-05-20 17:30:43来源:励志吧0次阅读

How are the Kings this bad? They have been a lottery team since 2006.

国王怎么可以这么烂?他们从2006年开始一直是乐透区球队。

It seems almost impossible to have lottery picks at your disposal for 12 years and still be absolutely terrible - how can a franchise be so incompetent that they've finished far below .500 for 12 years in a row?

连续12年支配乐透签,却仍然烂得毫无悬念,这几乎是无法做到的……他们居然可以做到连续12年常规赛胜率远低于50%,这支俱乐部是怎么保持这么“稳定”的无能的?

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[–]Net saydee123 1094 points 3 days ago

For those interested in what they've done with their lottery picks in that time:

Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, Jimmer Fredette, Thomas Robinson, Ben McLemore, Nik Stauskas, Willie Cauley-Stein, Georgios Papagiannis, Skal Labissiere, Bogdan Bogdanovic, De'Aron Fox, Justin Jackson, Harry Giles, Marvin Bagley III

篮网球迷:告知一下那些有兴趣了解国王在这段时间用乐透签拿下了哪些球员的人:

斯宾塞-霍伊斯(07年第10顺位)、杰森-汤普森(08年12顺位)、泰瑞克-埃文斯(09年第4顺位)、考辛斯(10年第5顺位)、吉默-弗雷戴特(11年第10顺位)、托马斯-罗宾逊(12年第5顺位)、本-麦克勒莫(13年第7顺位)、尼克-斯陶斯卡斯(14年第8顺位)、威利-考利斯坦(15年第6顺位)、乔治奥斯-帕帕扬尼斯(16年13顺位)、斯卡尔-拉比西埃(16年28顺位)、博格丹诺维奇(国王在2016年将第8顺位选中的马库斯-克里斯交易到太阳,换来对方当年首轮第13顺位、28顺位和2020年的次轮签,以及博格丹诺维奇的签约权)、达龙-福克斯(17年第5顺位)、贾斯汀-杰克逊(17年第15顺位)、 哈里-贾尔斯(17年第20顺位)和马文-巴格利(18年第2顺位)。

[–]Jazz saltnvinegar26 82 points 3 days ago

Heh... Jimmer Fedette.

爵士球迷:哟……吉默-弗雷戴特

[–]Lakers so-cal_kid 50 points 3 days ago

Taken ahead of Klay and Kawhi. Yikes

湖人球迷:他的选秀顺位还在克莱和卡哇伊之前呢,哈!

[–][NYK] John Starks ObviousAnswerGuy 27 points 3 days ago

China legend

尼克斯球迷:人家在中国可是传奇。

[–][LAL] Kareem Abdul-Jabbar fetus_ezeli 12 points 3 days ago

dropped 40 against the rockets a couple of days ago

贾巴尔球迷:几天前季前赛对火箭的比赛中还砍下了40分呢。

[–]Suns ihavecandygetinmyvan 43 points 3 days ago

Look at how many shots he attempted though lol

太阳球迷:也不看看他出手多少次,哈哈哈

[–]Celtics Son_of_Atreus 984 points 3 days ago

They also selected IT with the 60th pick.

凯尔特人:他们还在(2011年)第60顺位选中了小托马斯。

[–]Suns Halfawake1 658 points 3 days ago

And let him go inexplicably. Was confusing even back then

太阳球迷:然后就莫名其妙地把他送走了。哪怕是当时也是让人懵逼的。

[–]Kings TWK128 387 points 3 days ago

Oh, it's explicable.

Pete D'Allesandro was a fucking idiot and shipped off IT before firing the first coach we had that had Boogie's trust.

FUCK PDA.

国王球迷:嘿,你咋就没法理解了呢。

皮特-德亚历山德罗(国王前总经理)就是个特么的二货,先是交易走小托马斯,然后又炒掉了第一个得到考辛斯信任的主教练(迈克尔-马龙)。

我顶尼玛个肺哦皮特!

[–]Pacers hadesscion 20 points 3 days ago

This is what frequently leads to failed rebuilds. GMs get impatient/panic after a couple of bad seasons and trade their draft picks for marginal talent upgrades rather than letting them develop.

步行者球迷:正因为以上这种操作屡见不鲜,所以才导致国王的重建没法成功。一旦一两个赛季战绩不行,他们的总经理就慌了,就没有耐心了,宁愿用球队的选秀签去交换那些已兑现天赋的角色球员,也不愿给那些新秀成长的空间。

[–]Kings ResetSmith123 53 points 3 days ago

Pete D'Allesandro, GM at the time, didn't like that he was short. Brilliantly he decided to replace IT with notable giant Darren Collison.

国王球迷:皮特-德亚历山德罗,我们当年的这个总经理不喜欢小托马斯的身高。然后他睿智地用他换来了以身高见长的达伦-科里森。

[–]Kings TWK128 48 points 3 days ago

And spread the Cousins-IT beef rumors to justify his personal decision.

国王球迷:然后他开始散步考辛斯和小托马斯不和的谣言,来为自己的操作洗地。

[–]Raptors jeffcrafff 38 points 2 days ago

I like Pete, but mainly because he indirectly saved us from tanking by giving us good pieces back for Rudy Gay. Same reason Nets fans might have good associations with Rob Babcock.

猛龙球迷:我倒是很喜欢皮特哟,不过主要还是因为他间接把我们从摆烂的路上拉回来了,毕竟他为了得到鲁迪-盖伊给了我们不少实用型球员。

我想因为这类似的原因,篮网球迷应该也很喜欢罗伯-拜伯考克(前猛龙总经理,2004年将正当打的文斯-卡特送到了篮网,换回了阿朗佐-莫宁、阿隆-威廉姆斯、埃里克-威廉姆斯和两个首轮签)吧。

[–][MIA] Dion Waiters sokeydo 21 points 2 days ago

I’ve been high on IT since like 2014. It was crazy how IT, Boogie, and Gay all averaged 20ppg and the kings still sucked.

维特斯球迷:从2014年左右开始我就很喜欢小托马斯。那会儿小托马斯、考辛斯和盖伊都能场均20+,太疯狂了,可是国王还是稀烂。

[–][LAL] Jerry Westamory west 34 points 2 days ago

They weren’t just a big 3, they were the only 3

湖人球迷:毕竟他们仨不是三巨头,而是队里仅有的三个能打球的球员。

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[–]Hawks Niethy 153 points 3 days ago

Spencer Hawes turned out to be a decent role player.

Thompson lasted like 5 seasons.

Evans had a phenominal rookie year then dropped off.

Cousins was amazing.

Fredette was overhyped.

Robinson never learned the NBA game.

McLemore is a disappointment.

Stauskas was OK.

Cauley-Stein has turned out to be serviceable.

Papagiannis is a project and hasn't panned out.

Labissiere hasn't put everything together.

Bogdanovic looks like a future role player.

Fox is intriguing.

Jackson might be a bench player at best.

Giles we don't know yet due to injury.

Bagley III might turn out to be a worse version of Cousins.

老鹰球迷:霍伊斯成了一个还不错的角色球员

杰森-汤普森大概只在联盟混了5个赛季

埃文斯菜鸟赛季是现象级的,不过他出道即巅峰,然后没然后了

考辛斯当然是很厉害了

弗雷戴特纯粹是炒作

托马斯-罗宾逊从没学过怎么打NBA

麦克勒莫让人很失望

斯陶斯卡斯还行吧

考利斯坦是个可塑之才

帕帕扬尼斯还在锤炼中,目前没打出来

拉比西埃就是一团乱麻

博格丹诺维奇以后似乎是个角色球员

福克斯这人有点意思的

贾斯汀-杰克逊上限也就是个替补球员

贾尔斯因为伤病,还不知道会咋样

马文-巴格利或许会成为穷人版的考辛斯

[–]Trail Blazers _Quetzalcoatlus_ 178 points 3 days ago

Stauskas is a pretty great example of why the Kings suck.

The owner forced the team to pick him, seemingly because he made a bunch of threes out of 100. The team even decided to film this meddling and create a documentary to show their own incompetence.

He had three coaches in his first season. The third of those coaches was George Karl, who was a train wreck.

Boogie Cousins bullied him relentlessly and tried to fight him multiple times. Boogie has to be the worst star to have as your leader by far. Instead of helping out the rook, he supposedly tried to ruin him.

He was part of one of the dumbest trades in the history of the NBA. The Kings sent him, filler, a first, and swap rights for two drafts so they could sign Rondo for a season.

So Stauskas represents monumental failures by the owner, coaching staff, star player, and front office. That's brutally incompetent from the whole organization.

开拓者球迷:斯陶斯卡斯就是论证国王为嘛这么烂的鲜活论据:

貌似仅仅因为他在试训中投了100个三分中了不少,然后国王老板强迫球队选中了他。当时国王甚至都决定要把老板的乱政行为排成纪录片了,好让外人看看他们自身的无能。

斯陶斯卡斯在国王的处子赛季,球队前后用了三个教练。第三任教练是堪称灾难的乔治-卡尔。

考辛斯“永不停歇”地欺负斯陶斯卡斯,还屡次三番地想和他干架。考辛斯绝对是目前为止最烂的领袖级球星。他不但没有帮助球队的菜鸟,反而想法要毁了别人。

斯陶斯卡斯还是NBA史上最愚蠢交易之一的参与者。国王(2015年)把他和一个首轮签、两个首轮互换签,再加上一点添头送出去,只是为了以一年合约签下隆多……

所以说啊,斯陶斯卡斯代表着国王的老板、教练团队、明星球员和管理层的里程碑式失败。整个球队都烂到家了。

[–]Lakers MelonElbows 10 points 3 days ago

Wait, they filmed the owner meddling? Is this footage available somewhere?

湖人球迷:等会儿!他们还拍了个老板胡来的纪录片?能否借一部说话?

[–][PHI] Lou Williams Marcheesio 29 points 2 days ago

https://youtu.be/JOS0ynEuYC4

路威球迷:https://youtu.be/JOS0ynEuYC4(有兴趣的朋友可以翻墙上油管)

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[–]Pacers TheBoilerCat 538 points 3 days ago

Incompetent owners, more incompetent owners, and an assembly line of incompetence in the front office.

步行者球迷:无能的前任老板,更加无能的现任老板,还有流水线一样涌现出的一批批无能的管理层。

[–]Pacers deadprezrepresentme 111 points 3 days ago

Say what you will about the (necessary) fiscal decisions about the roster the Pacers have (had to) made over the last 20 years but at least the FO has been on point!

步行者球迷:过往20年里,步行者关于阵容所(必须)做出的(必要的)薪资决策也是好坏参半的, 你们想咋说都行,可至少我们的管理层还有脑子啊!

[–][SAS] Tim Duncan ukudancer 41 points 3 days ago

Granger, George, Oladipo...Yeah, Pacers have done pretty well.

邓肯球迷:格兰杰、乔治、奥拉迪波……没错,步行者的管理层做得很不错了。

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[–]Kings KangzAteMyFamily 274 points 3 days ago

Where to begin:

Well the Maloofs were sabotaging the team and trading assets for straight cash. It wasn’t until 2012 I think when we got Vivek. But he has no idea what he’s doing and he wants to run shit like he would run one of his tech businesses.

Ever since I moved back to Sac I’m 2013 and started paying attention again in earnest, this is what has happened:

Trade Isaiah for a trade exception and rights to a foreign player who never came over. Fire the only coach Cousins liked because the GM at the time didn’t like him and found a BS excuse to can him Trade unprotected FIRST ROUND PICK FOR CAP SPACE Cousins trade

In general, bad asset management, even worse talent evaluations. So many picks of players who weren’t NBA material and a refusal to acknowledge that. Shit, Ben McLemore is back on the fucking team.

And then there’s this: a complete lack of understanding of the modern NBA. A roster of all bigs and guards with no decent wings above 6’5.”

They’re just idiots

国王球迷:我该从哪儿说起呢?

好吧,前任老板马鲁夫兄弟那会儿简直是在摧毁球队,他们为了钱把球队资产卖了。直到2012年换了新老板维维克-拉纳戴夫之后,情况才有所缓和。但他压根就不知道自己在干嘛,他想按照经营自家科技公司的方式来瞎几把经营球队。

自打我2013年回到萨克拉门托之后,就开始再度认真关注国王队,然后就有了这些糟心事儿:

一个交易特例和一个此后从未登入NBA的外国球员的签约权,他们把小托马斯送走了。仅仅因为当时的总经理不喜欢,他就解雇了考辛斯唯一正眼相看的主教练,还找了个稀烂的借口。接着他们又为了所谓的薪资空间送走了不受保护的首轮签,最后还把考辛斯放走了。

一句话,国王的资产管理一团乱,更差的还是人才评估能力。选了很多球员甚至都不是打NBA的料,然后球队还拒不承认。沃日,麦克勒莫又回到这逼队。

再有就是:对现代NBA的理解全方位匮乏。阵容里全都是大个和后卫,连一个实用的6尺5以上的侧翼都没得!

这纯粹是一帮饭桶。

[–]Kings bbgun91 134 points 3 days ago

Malone's firing was the lowest point

国王球迷:解雇马龙是冰点。

[–]PuppyPoke 17 points 3 days ago

The maloofs were trying to move?

据说马鲁夫兄弟当时还想把球队搬走?

[–]Kings TopDogJim 47 points 3 days ago

Yes to Seattle they made the Kings purposely shit and set us back so many years

国王球迷:是的,想搬去西雅图。他们故意把国王搞得稀烂,让我们倒退这么多年。

[–]Kings BlackPulloverHoodie 125 points 3 days ago

I'm just happy we still have our team.

国王球迷:现在我们还有球队我已经很开心了。

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[–][SAS] Malik Rose Golai77 114 points 3 days ago

The Timberwolves made the playoffs for the first time since 2004 last year.

I don't think it's a coincidence that these teams are both in the West. The Suns missed the playoffs a few years ago at ~48 wins.

Boogie was/is a great player, but he didn't help the culture, yet he was good enough to keep the Kings picking out of the top 5. SAC has been through some shit over the last decade+, it feels like they finally have a young core in Fox/Bagley/Hield/Giles and whoever else I'm forgetting. They have a chance to be a playoff team in a year or two.

马刺球迷:连森林狼都在上赛季完成了自2004年之后首度进入季后赛。

我觉得这两队都在西部可不是个巧合,太阳也有多年没进季后赛了,上次接近季后赛还是他们几年前拿下48胜。

考辛斯以前和现在都是一个顶尖的球员,但是他对球队文化的营造发挥不了作用。有意思的是,他的出色又刚好可以让国王摸不着前五选秀权。过往的十多年里,国王是真的是一地鸡毛。现在我感觉他们终于形成了年轻的核心骨干:福克斯、巴格利、希尔德、贾尔斯和某个我忘记名字的球员。他们在近一两年内有机会打进季后赛。

[–][MIA] Chris Bosh SBORBS 53 points 3 days ago

Kings would've made the playoffs in 2014-15 if they hadn't fired Mike Malone.

波什球迷:要不是之前解雇了迈克-马龙,国王本可以在14/15赛季冲进季后赛。

[–]Kings ItsNotSpaghetti 33 points 3 days ago

We know.

国王球迷:我们心知肚明。

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